Thursday, December 01, 2005

This year, let’s all take a holiday from Christmas.

Apparently, Christian conservatives have recruited a record 1,550 attorneys to pursue any attempts to substitute "Christmas" with "Holiday," or any other inclusive or nonsectarian terms. It’s just their way of "putting the Christ back in Christmas."

They’re boycotting Target, because the company used the term “Holiday” in their advertising. (Um…that is until the day before Christmas and the tree is looking a little…empty.)

They successfully forced Lowes to change their “Holiday Trees” back to Christmas trees. It is kind of silly to call a Christmas tree a holiday tree but honestly, aren’t their more important things in the world to worry about? Why don’t they boycott Walmart for paying their employees so little they can only afford to shop at Walmart!

Don’t they know that Christmas trees started out as pagan symbols? According to the History Channel:
Long before the advent of Christianity, plants and trees that remained green all year had a special meaning for people in the winter. Just as people today decorate their homes during the festive season with pine, spruce, and fir trees, ancient peoples hung evergreen boughs over their doors and windows. In many countries it was believed that evergreens would keep away witches, ghosts, evil spirits, and illness.

But sadly, not the extreme right conservative Christians…

So what’s next? Cops who bust you for tree flocking? Sanctions against Santa? Jail time for spelling it XMAS? Are they that insecure about their beliefs? Or are they truly sickened by the crass commercialism?

According to an ABC news report:
Christian conservatives say retailers should proudly play up Christmas even if some non-Christian customers are alienated.

Ok, then it’s not the crass commercialism…
Donald Wildmon, Chairman of the American Family Association put it this way:
‘Tough Luck. This is an overwhelmingly Christian country."

How incredibly Christian of him to say it just that way. In other words, “My religion, like it or lump it.” I just question how you can view yourself as a majority religion and still feel so victimized?

Why didn’t they recruit a record 1550 attorneys to find homes for the people displaced by Katrina? Why aren’t they more concerned about feeding the poor over the holidays? Why aren’t they actively doing something about the travesty in the Sudan?

So what do you think Jesus would do? Do you think he’d be spamming Target and picketing Lowes? Or do you think he’d do something totally selfless, generous, and loving in such a way as to not draw attention to himself…just wondering.

34 Comments:

Blogger Philip Morton said...

I think we should refer to Jesus Christ as "Mr. Holiday", and then this all doesn't seem so divisive.

1:50 AM, December 02, 2005  
Blogger Balloon Pirate said...

You know, no matter how much I try, I cannot get worked up about this issue.
The reason big companies are taking Christianity out of their holiday advertising isn't because of some new-found PC attitude--it's because they want the non-Christian dollar as well.

Hell, if they thought it would positively affect their bottom line, I'm sure most companies would change the holiday's name to "Satanic Baby-Eating Transvestite Nazi Day."

Christmas has been totally co-opted by corporate marketeers.

I think Phil is on to something. Perhaps it should go the other way. Instead of taking the word "Christmas" out of the holiday, we should go the other way, and take the Christ out of Christmas altogether.

It would certainly be easier on everyone if we did it that way.

Give the spiritual Christian holiday celebrating the birth of Jesus a different name. It doesn't have to be all that different--perhaps Spiritus Christmas--so that those who call Christ their Savior will be able to celebrate the spiritual aspect of the holiday, and those who just revel in the Bing-Crosby-on-Shrooms commercialism can still have their fun.

Whaddya think?

Yeharr

4:59 AM, December 02, 2005  
Blogger Colleen said...

i heard lowe's caved and changed their "holiday trees" back to "christmas trees". there is a huge discussion about this over at 2Ps that is just amazing to me. one woman said that our increased use of the word "holiday" was causing us to slip further into becoming a communist country. another woman said that athiests should be shot because they trample on her rights to worship God as she sees fit. some crazy ass people out there.

5:59 AM, December 02, 2005  
Blogger Balloon Pirate said...

2Ps?

What is this place?

Is it online?

Yeharr

6:13 AM, December 02, 2005  
Blogger boni said...

To me this issue is yet another smokescreen. Like, Oh my God! Gays want to marry! And Collen's comment regarding some woman saying atheists should be shot because they trample on her right to worship God as she see fit- is why I was asking the question: "How can you view yourself as a majority religion and still feel so victimized?" You can't be both...

A guy I love is Jim Wallis. He's a smart guy and a good Christian who writes a web site called
Sojourners that supports social justice and peace. He also wrote a book, "God's Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It." On the site he's got a picture of Cheney and the copy reads, "Who would Jesus Torture? The Bush administration's bad cop is still blocking a vote on Sen. McCain's anti-torture measure."

Not all Christians are wing-nuts. Not all Republicans are
cold-hearted. Not all Democrats are atheistic heathens.

Although, I love the idea of der Bingle on shrooms...

And don't forget that old Seinfeld term... The Festivus For The Rest of Us...

8:06 AM, December 02, 2005  
Blogger Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

Funny what's happening in the UK because Christianity is verging on a minority religion so all the names are changing and we don't care!

HURRAH!

9:26 AM, December 02, 2005  
Blogger Cranky Yankee said...

I think real Christians would want out of the whole xmas thing. It is based on evil!

A google search for "Origins of Christmas" found an interesting article from Last trumpet Ministries. Granted the author is a born again former Wicca with a penchant for fighting the spiritual war against the occult and secret societies. He's a little bit of a whacko. But he does give a pretty accurate summary of the origins of xmas before he goes off into…well you know where. It's a short read but here are some high points.

The truth is that all of the customs of Christmas pre-date the birth of Jesus Christ, and a study of this would reveal that
Christmas in our day is a collection of traditions and practices taken from many cultures and nations. The date of December 25th comes from Rome and was a celebration of the Italic god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god.

This was done long before the birth of Jesus.


In Germany, the evergreen tree was used in worship and celebration of the Yule god, also in observance of the resurrected sun god. The evergreen tree was a symbol of the essence of life and was regarded as a phallic symbol in fertility worship.
...

Both holly and mistletoe were hung in doorways of temples and homes to invoke powers of fertility in those who stood beneath and kissed, causing the spirits of the god and goddess to enter them. These customs transcended the borders of Rome and Germany to the far reaches of the known world.

The question now arises: How did all of these customs find their way into contemporary Christianity, ranging from Catholicism to Protestantism to fundamentalist churches?


IT WAS THE CATHOLICS!

In short, Christmas is strictly a Roman Catholic word. A simple study of the tactics of the Romish Church reveals that in every case, the church absorbed the customs, traditions and general paganism of every tribe, culture and nation in their efforts to increase the number of people under their control. In short, the Romish church told all of these pagan cultures, "Bring your gods, goddesses, rituals and rites, and we will assign Christian sounding titles and names to them.

He's right, when Constantine was trying to make xtianity the official church of Rome he had to sell it. Roman Emperors were more like politicians then we have been led to belive. He knew the Romans liked their parties so he renamed a big one.

Here comes the money shot.

In both witchcraft circles and contemporary Christian churches, the same things are going on.

As the Bible clearly states in Jeremiah 10:2-4, "Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen; and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven. For the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain. For one cutteth a tree out of the forest. The work of the hands of the workman with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold. They fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not."

I love that, "clearly" part..

So, what is wrong with Christmas?

1. To say that Jesus was born on December 25th is a lie! The true date is sometime in September according to the Scriptures.

2. Trees, wreaths, holly, mistletoe and the like are strictly forbidden as pagan and heathen! To say that these are Christian or that they can be made Christian is a lie!

3. The Lord never spoke of commemorating his birth but rather commanded us to remember the sacrifice of His suffering and death, which purchased our salvation.

Think about it! Can we worship and honor God by involving ourselves with customs and traditions, which God Himself forbade as idolatry? Can we convince God to somehow "Christianize" these customs and the whole pretense and lie of Christmas, so we can enjoy ourselves? Can we obey through disobedience?

So what is right about Christmas? 1. Nothing!


So Xtians should not even be celebrating xmas according to this guy. He makes a good argument for it in that weird assuming fundamentalist kind of way.

11:31 AM, December 02, 2005  
Blogger Cranky Yankee said...

Jim Wallis is the man. He makes the point that the Bible mentions helping the poor over 3000 times and mentions homosexuality only once directly and indirectly at most 3 times, but if you listen to Fundamentalists you would think that being a homophobe was their main mission based on Biblical teachings.

11:33 AM, December 02, 2005  
Blogger steff81 said...

I'm a Christian and I'm not boycotting anything....well except those upside down trees (Christmas or holiday...take your pick), but that has nothing to do with my religion or faith in God. I don't think that Christmas is about getting presents. They said on The Early Show that the whole point of the upside down tree was to leave more room for the presents. I think that regardless of your personal feelings about religion, the holiday season is about being with loved ones and enjoying family.

And it shouldn't suprise anyone on here that some people have strong opinions and always will...there are a few of you here so you should know.

5:46 PM, December 02, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

Let's start with what's wrong with CHristmas.

1. Jesus was JUST A MAN.

2. Mary was an excellent liar.

3. There were NO INNS in Bethlehem.

4. It's based on the pagan c`elebration of the Winter solstace.

Steff,
It is not REGARDLESS of your personal faith because in MOST personal faiths, Christmas is not celebrated at all. Still, people find ways to love and enjoy their families, even if they aren't Christain. You don't know about their holidays, but all the world has to hear about yours for a freakin' month and a half. It's getting old. And we're tired of letting the Christians have the ball all the time. What's happening is that the non-Christians have decided it's time for you all to grow up and deal with not getting your way quite so often. So quit complaining. You've had your turn.

7:07 AM, December 03, 2005  
Blogger boni said...

I'm all for passing on the presents this year. Last year we bought $100 worth of food and took my daughter and her cousin and delivered it to a homeless shelter. The food banks this year are especially desperate for food...Another year we bought some toys and took them to a pediatric wing of a hospital. I'm just tired of all the conspicuous consumption especially in light of all the problems in the world...Another good idea is to send care packages to our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or donate to charities that are helping the people in the Sudan.

7:28 AM, December 03, 2005  
Blogger Cranky Yankee said...

Care packages rule, unless the remfs picked through them and leave you with nothing.

Boni, you are so right. Conspicuous conmpsumption is a sin. 40000 children under the age of 5 die every year from hunger and vaccine preventable disease worldwide. In America hunger is up 43 percent over the last 5 years. At the same time America throws away 27 percent of the food produced for human consumption.

This can't go on forever. the holiday season is a disgusting display of greed. Nothing more.

Simplify your life. Never take more than you need and don't waste what you take. Before it's too late!

8:42 AM, December 03, 2005  
Blogger Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

Christ wasn't born near Xmas, it was a pagan festival and to boost support for the cult of Christ they moved his 'birthday' to then.

10:50 AM, December 03, 2005  
Blogger steff81 said...

Polanco Consulting: I wasn't complaining about anything...except those stupid upside down trees. I'm very okay with letting you or whoever MOST is celebrate Christmas or not celebrate December 25th anyway they so chose. I'm just a little more tackful in expressing my opinions, but it seems that insulting and belittling people who have opinions and beliefs that are different from yours is the way to make a point.

And good luck with that whole tantrum you threw.

9:13 PM, December 03, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

Steff,
If you're not surprised by strong opinions, my comment shouldn't have been a problem for you. You made a statement that said, "Regardless of your personal believe, the holiday season is about being with loved ones and enjoying family." and I was making it clear that it is not REGARDLESS of your personal faith because it's only a holiday season for CHRISTIANS. For the rest of us, it's just winter. I'm annoyed that Christians have had a monopoly on the winter months for MY WHOLE LIFE and I'm tried of all the commercialization.

7:53 AM, December 04, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

We should refer to Jesus Chirst as "that guy who f**ked up the world for the rest of us."

7:54 AM, December 04, 2005  
Anonymous peter said...

i hope polanco's seething hatred has diminished just enough for her to look up Jews Against Anti-Christian Defamation.

maybe polanco likes a little comedy stirred into her venom, jackie mason, the comedian is a member and has some interesting takes on this war that has been waged against christmas:

"First of all, the amount of Jews who are saying this kind of a thing (taking christ out of christmas) can't even be found. You would have to hire the CIA to find a Jew who is disturbed or offended by anything representing the word Christmas. Jews are thrilled and delighted to celebrate Christmas because, you know, we don't see it as a threat. There is no normal Jew in America, I can't find one, bang on every door of every Jewish house in America. If you find more, if you would find more than six Jews with this complex, that they are disturbed by Christianity or by the word "Merry Christmas." Jews love the idea of "Merry Christmas" because not only is it celebrating brotherhood and friendship and love and the extension of happiness to everybody in the world — how could you be offended by that?"

brotherhood, friendship and love. interesting. seems polanco and baloon and cranky are quite offended by this celebration of such. why do you guys feel threatened by christmas? this says more about your own hatred, anger and bitterness than it says about christ, christmas and christians.

"Pornography is allowed in this country because freedom of speech protects it. Rappers are singing songs about killing everybody in the streets, and it's protected. But if, God forbid, you say "Merry Christmas," "Ho, ho, ho," a whole fight breaks out. Love is the only thing that they hate. Hate is protected. Love is obnoxious to them. How nuts could you get? If a store is selling rap music, it's protected. But if that same store hung up a sign that said "Merry Christmas," they would be in all kinds of trouble."

to all of those who posted your hate, this old comedian has some choice words for you "love is the only thing they hate." that's certainly what i see when steph states her opinion and gets chewed up. for what? for polanco's misguided hatred...

polanco, your last post, very troubling. explain how Jesus Christ could have screwed your life? it's boggling. don't you believe in free will? you rule your own destiny? and can't you accept that others have certain beliefs? why can't you respect that? you come off as incredibly bitter.

about christmas trees:

"I think anybody who sees it and decides you must call it a holiday tree should be put in a sanitarium. Because what are they going to do? Are they going to do this to all the religions now? Are you going to say a Jew is not allowed to say "Happy Passover," you have to say happy, hello, I can't remember what I am now? What if it's Purim and what — we have any kind of a holiday? What if you fast on Yom Kippur, should we have to say we're fasting on a day we don't know about?"

if you want to discuss the commercialization of this season, that certainly is a debate. but to consume the fire of your hatred by attacking someone for their beliefs is outright insanity.

1:18 PM, December 04, 2005  
Blogger Cranky Yankee said...

I guess I have to agree with BP. I find it hard to get worked up about this issue. As I posted over at my crib a couple weeks ago.

But I do think xmas has come to represent what is one of the worst traits of our society. Greed. Our conspicuous comsumption is starving the rest of the world slowly but surely. We have a bad case of Affluenza

The original post had little to do with what someone here is arguing with himself about, but rather about the xtian right trying to force everyone to say christmas as opposed to holiday.

Target has the right to call it whatever they want and Peter and his crew over at the 700 club and fox news have no right to tell them otherwise.

For my part, my business is doing well this season and I may share that with others. I'll be donating $20,000.00 to The Human Fund.

Happy Holidays and a festivus for the Rest of us!

2:36 PM, December 04, 2005  
Blogger boni said...

I have no problem with real Christianity. The kind that's loving and tolerant and cares about social justice. That's why I brought up Jim Wallis earlier. What I have a problem with is when any religion claims to have a hot line directly with God and interprets what he wants and then tries to order the world around.
None of us knows what God wants or even what God is.
Who knows if we were made in his image, but he certainly shouldn't be made over into ours...
It's obvious to me that now more than ever we all need some peace on earth.

2:39 PM, December 04, 2005  
Blogger steff81 said...

Polanco Consulting:
There is a difference between having a strong opinion and being flat out rude to someone. I'm used to that on here too, but I still don't have to like it.

I'd like to point out that I said regardless of your personal faith, the holiday season...not Christmas...I did not mention a specific holiday...should be about being with loved ones and enjoying family. I mentioned nothing about Christmas. You seem to be the one fixated on that...not me.

Also, Christians aren't the only ones that celebrate during this time. Jews and those that celebrate Kwanza might be offended that you lumped them into the Christian sect.

One might want to come down off her high horse before she is knocked off in the most embarrassing of ways.

2:45 PM, December 04, 2005  
Blogger Balloon Pirate said...

I don't see how anyone who is anything other than an outright littlebrained idiot could possibly read into my comments that I have some problem with the celebration of Christmas in any way shape or form.

I believe my exact quote is "I cannot get worked up about this issue.

I stand behind this statement. Chopping down a tree and decorating it in the hopes that a fat man in a red suit driving a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer will squeeze down your chimney and shove the latest in high-tech gizmos under it has about as much to do with celebrating the birth of Jesus as an anthropomorphic rabbit hiding colored eggs under your couch has to do with the ressurection of Jesus.

But I still have no problem with Christmas. I like decorating. I enjoy the carols. My kids dig it. It's a cultral phenomenon.

That being said: I alsohave no problem with people who are offended by the 'crass commercialization' of Christmas. They can call all the boycotts they want. I think they're fighting a losing battle, but if they want to fight it, fine.

I can understand why someone who professes a deep and abiding love of Jesus might be offended. My suggestion was sincere: break off. Leave Christmas to the marketeers. Start a new holiday. Start fresh. Hell, it worked for Martin Luther.

Now, someone who comes here and thinks they're proving a cultural point by quoting Jackie Mason (Jackie Mason!?!)is definitely someone to be mocked. Especially in the context of a group of whackjobs like Jews Against Anti-Christian Defamation.

A group founded by Don Feder? With help from David Horowitz? And this is who polanco is directed to research because of anger issues? To a group founded by a man who is "to the right of Sharon on Zionism, to the right of Pat Buchanan on immigration and Americanism, to the right of Mother Angelica on abortion, to the right of Chuck Heston on Second-Amendment rights, and generally make the legendary Atilla look like a limousine liberal."

Or maybe I'm being too harsh about this group. After all, who would say that about Don Feder?

Well, Don Feder would say that about Don Feder:
http://www.donfeder.com/n_aboutus.ivnu
(Now, to the little brains out there who think that it's Unamerican to voice dissent, those letters with all the dots and slashes in it is a link. It's what people who have what is known as sanity, and are described as rational and are known to think for themselves put in their posts and comments so that the veracity of their statements can be ascertained. People who don't do that are usually considered to possess few of the traits listed in the previous sentence, and, like the dinosaurs they truly are, can post and post and post without realizing that they are, in fact, intellecually dead.)

Yeharr

8:35 PM, December 04, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

Kwanza is a made up holiday and Jews only celebrate the way they do because their kids felt left out of the Christmas celebration. My horse is the perfect height, thanks.

7:21 AM, December 05, 2005  
Blogger Cranky Yankee said...

"So what do you think Jesus would do? Do you think he’d be spamming Target and picketing Lowes? Or do you think he’d do something totally selfless, generous, and loving in such a way as to not draw attention to himself…just wondering."

My friend Jesus, who would definitely roll on Saturday, would be appalled that we buy things for other people that they don't need just to make ourselves feel better, in the spirit of giving of course.

3:00 PM, December 05, 2005  
Blogger steff81 said...

PC:
Well goodness gracious...you don't like Christmas or Christians that do...we should all just stop the whole mess. The rest of us must get ourselves straightened out so that we can please you. That's what this holiday - opps...I mean December 25th is all about giving.

Balloon Pirate: Someone posted on my blog that they wished me luck on this argument that I'm having with you. Except as far as I know, I'm not having an argument with you. I thought that all my comments had been directed to Polanco Consulting. If I have in some way said something personally offensive (which heck isn't that all we've been doing) I apologize. I did not mean to get into anything with you.

3:09 PM, December 05, 2005  
Blogger Balloon Pirate said...

stef-I don't think I'm the 'that guy' Uncle Joe was referring to. Or maybe I am. Either way, I've got no problems with you.

Yeharr

4:37 AM, December 06, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

Steff,
I don't know how to adaquately express my point at the moment without being rude - I'm pretty tired. I offended you, and for that I apologize, but Christians have been on a much higher horse for quite some time. Still, two wrongs don't make a right and I'm backing out of this discussion until I can find a way to explain myself in a manner befiting my intellect.

5:37 AM, December 06, 2005  
Blogger Philip Morton said...

I think all five billion of us should have our own separate religions, with our own individual blow up houses of worship, separate holidays (with time off from school for each one), and extended weekends for extra shopping (but only on your own individual holiday, authorized by your social security number) and then all this confusion could be sorted out properly.

3:04 PM, December 06, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

Finally an idea that makes sense.

5:15 PM, December 06, 2005  
Blogger steff81 said...

Polanco Consulting,
Thank you for the apology, but you shouldn't have to apologize for your ideas and opinions. You're right, I am a Christian but I'm not out leading a crusaid in front of Target. There are extreme people that promote their cause and base it on the fact that they are Christian. Believe me, even Christians can get tired of it and know that sometimes it gives us all a bad name.

9:48 PM, December 06, 2005  
Anonymous peter said...

here's some interesting words written by Rabbi Aryeh Spero at http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10055. i know, i know, balloon and cranky will say this source is a right-wing, blah, blah, blah... but wherever it may come from, the rabbi's words kinda soothe the hysteria that leaks from everything polanco has stated on the subject of christmas:

"In contrast, many ardent secularists are discomfited by public displays of Christianity inasmuch as it makes them feel like “outsiders.” They lack the rootedness and sense of security that serious daily observance, faith, or sheer regard for religion offers. The answer to such insecurity, however, lies not in an annual legal and political war against those, Christians, celebrating their religion, but in being fulfilled and secure in one’s own religion."

so maybe, polanco, if you were secure in whatever your chosen spirituality is you would be more "adaquate" in your rants against this time of year.

"It is not the duty of Christians to forgo their religious expression to accommodate those who seem unable to fill their own religious void. Nor should Americans be deprived of historic and cultural Seasonal joys because of the intolerance and stinginess of those apparently incapable of live and let live."

"Cultural nihilism has become the fashion of those infected with self-hate and those bored by Americanism, and by those in need to display their “worldliness” by minimizing the value of their own country’s ways."

cranky, you should really check this article out. seems to have nailed you to a tee.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

5:26 AM, December 09, 2005  
Blogger boni said...

I know you're trying to call our Cranky, but since I wrote this blog, I'm responding.

I never suggested that those who want to say "Merry Christmas" to everyone, shouldn't be free to say it.

Never suggested that anyone should stop sending Christmas cards.

Or buy Christmas Trees.

No one was being a fascist about insisting anyone say, "Happy Holidays."

No one here is infected with self-hate, but I can't speak for you.

What I was originally talking about was the threat to sue
retail stores if they didn't say "Merry Christmas."

Because it seems to me it's a bogus issue. There's a lot more to worry about than that. I'm more worried about the poor and the disenfranchised especially when it's so cold out now. I'm very concerned that the people in New Orleans, Mississippi and Alabama are not getting the help they need after Katrina. I'm more worried about spousal abuse and the proliferation of kiddie porn on the Internet.

I just think that there are bigger problems here that are being neglected in favor of a lightening rod issue.

I'm tired of people walking around patting themselves on the back and saying that God is on their side and then not acting very Christian at all.

And frankly, Pete. I'm tired of you.

I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I just don't believe in the kind of horse crap you, Bill O'Reilly and the right wing Christians are constantly whipping up to draw attention to yourselves.

And Pete, do you really think you can convince those of us who come here and write here by quoting a blatently conservative site like Human Events? So, in the spirit of the holidays (which is a contraction of holy days.) and as the Rabbi I'm sure would say: "Get a life and get over yourself. Be a mensch, instead of a putz."
And a very Merry Christmas to you, too!

8:40 AM, December 09, 2005  
Anonymous peter said...

boni

i appreciate your passion for the disenfranchised. it's honorable and worthy. I've read your posts and i see this is a consistent concern of yours. i sincerely hope that you do not think i would ever belittle the work it seems you do in these fields.

it is tiring, however, when the accusation is made that i'm trying to change people's opinions. and really, does it matter where these quotes came from? i mean, i knew the criticsm would be thrown at me, as i said originally. i just thought the Rabbi made sense on the entire anti-christian/christmas crusade.

as i said, some time last week, if the debate is the over-commericalization of such a season, i think you would have little argument from anyone.

but some of the comments left, after you posted, showed cause for concern. i presented another view point from a person from another religion. the words are what had meaning, not from what site they came from. why is that so hard to see?

and i not only addressed cranky, but also (and mainly) polanco as i shudder at the anger she displayed while discussing the issue.

11:24 AM, December 09, 2005  
Blogger boni said...

I think that Polanco apologized to Steff81 and Steff accepted. I too regret when emotions run high because that is when the discourse breaks down and no points are made.

You know, there's a great song "Move On" by a guy named
Mike Doughty and it's got this great lyric.
"I love my country so much, man. Like an exasperating
friend."

I really feel that way...I feel our country is so incredible,
that I get royally bugged when it doesn't reach the potential it has the capacity for. So if I criticize (and God knows I do) it's only because I think it's capable of so much more. Why is Toyota kicking our butts in alternative energy for cars? Why aren't we doing more to protect
the environment? Why are we hanging the poor out to dry?
There's so much we could do that we're not.
I criticize the war because I saw how messed up my brother was (and still is) from Viet Nam. And I think our guys are having to deal with far worse. Please read Optruth.org.
And Pete, I say this genuinely now: Merry Christmas.

1:00 PM, December 09, 2005  
Anonymous peter said...

and to you, boni...

5:26 PM, December 09, 2005  

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