Monday, December 05, 2005

The White House. Home of the Whopper.

Another lie exposed.

Bush, in his last speech, claimed that training of Iraqi troops was moving right along, resulting in more professional troops. But that may not be the case. Is anyone surprised?

According to an AP article this morning, Iraqi Vice President Ghazi al-Yawer disputes that, saying:

“that most recently trained Iraqi forces focus on settling scores and other political goals rather than maintaining security. In particular, armed Shiite militias in the south might try to incite war if U.S.-led coalition forces leave…”

Recent allegations that Interior Ministry security forces — dominated by Shiites — have tortured Sunni detainees were evidence that many forces are increasingly politicized and sectarian, he said. According to him, the army which is dominated by Shiites — is conducting raids against villages and towns in Sunni and mixed areas of Iraq, rather than targeting specific insurgents — a tactic he said reminded many Sunnis of Saddam Hussein-era raids.

"Saddam used to raid villages," using security forces, he said. "This is not the way to do it."

According to the article:

Al-Yawer also expressed grave concern that Iraqi army units might use intimidation to try to keep Sunni voters from the polls during the country's crucial Dec. 15 general election.

American officials — and Sunni moderates like al-Yawer — are trying to persuade Sunnis to go to the polls, hoping that if they gain a sizable chunk of parliament, Sunnis will abandon support for the insurgency.

Al-Yawer said many Sunnis want to vote. But he noted that both intimidation and voter fraud occurred during the Oct. 15 constitutional referendum, and complaints to the Iraqi Electoral Commission and U.N. voting advisers went nowhere, he said.

His supporters have made a series of requests to ensure a fair vote this time, including changes to the electoral commission and adequate numbers of polling stations and ballots in Sunni areas, he said. Most importantly, they have asked that U.S.-led coalition forces, and not Iraqi army troops, guard polling stations, he said.

Many outside experts have expressed concern that Iraqi security forces will actually increase tensions if they guard Sunni areas, rather than keep order. Al-Yawer did not specifically say that Shiites make up too much of the army, but said he would like to see more political and sectarian balance — especially among the officer corps.

Again more PR from Bush and very little honesty.


Blogger Cranky Yankee said...

Have you guys heard any of the rumors of Rummy resigning after the new year and being replaced by Joe Leiberman? Rumor has it, they are picking the lapdog Democrat so that the GOP Governor of Ct. can replace him with a rethug prior to the election.

3:53 PM, December 05, 2005  
Blogger boni said...

I haven't heard that one. But I am hearing some amazing rumblings regarding the resignation of Duke Cunningham including that he was a part of was an elaborate scheme to get government contract money that was then rerouted to
many republicans. Check out Bradblog for more details. I'll check around for the Lieberman story...

9:34 PM, December 05, 2005  
Blogger Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

Lies, lies and more lies.

Can I have a side order of truth with that Whopper?

4:12 AM, December 06, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

Iraqi troops and police are afraid to got to the market to buy food. We are not making progress. The violence is escalating, which I'm sure LT Trouble has mentioned, and more of our soldiers are dying. It's going to be a great freakin' Christmas for a lot of military families who have to bury their soldiers this month.

Still, I'm teaching at a military school and the boys here say they won't go into the military because of what's going on in Iraq. If you can't get kids to join who have wanted to be soldiers since they could walk, how are they going to maintain troop levels without a draft? It's all lies. I don't believe anything anyone in government says anymore, even the Dems. Okay, maybe Obama and Murtha.

5:34 AM, December 06, 2005  
Blogger Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

That makes me laugh, kids at military school and Iraq has put them off war?

Looks like they didn't have it in 'em to be soldiers in the first place.

12:01 PM, December 06, 2005  
Blogger Philip Morton said...

dhg: not neccessarily. There is a code of honor to the soldier, that elevates fighting to a duty, not for money or valor, but for virtue. When corruption and dishonesty is laid bare every day for the purpose of a war, when mercenaries and private contractors get more money and less accountability for their screw ups and failures, when vets are extended past exhaustion on their tours and have their medical coverage cut at home, I'm not surprised kids whoe wanted to be soldiers in the best sense are put off. Sign up mercenaries and criminals instead, that's who you can attract to this pigfest. Not the kids who wanted to fight for virtue's sake.

2:21 PM, December 06, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

It's true, they may not have had it in them to be soldiers, but they should have gotten then chance to find out before becoming so disillusioned.

I know this school. I was raised with it. I wanted to go there and couldn't because they didn't accept girls. I swore I wouldn't work there until they did, and next year they will. Anyway, my point is that I know the kind of kids that go there. It has a long tradition of honor. These kids go to THIS school because they want to be leaders, not just soldiers. They feel an almost innate duty to their country. These boys were born to serve. And the fact that THESE boys have lost their faith in their government is seriously disturbing for me.

3:11 PM, December 06, 2005  
Blogger Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

Oh come on Mr Morton!

Honor, duty, valor and virtue are comic book issues, school boy stuff!

War involves very little of those factors and the romantising of it by the media and other parties is what made these boys sign up to military school in the first place; some ancient concept of what it means to be a soldier.

It's about sticking your knife into another human because it's your job and because that's what war is: messy, unreasonable, foolish , desperate and clumsy.

The reasons for Iraq are no worse than any other modern conflict, the days of the Nazi bad guys are long gone.

5:46 AM, December 07, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

It's about separating the soldiers from the war. I know that seems like a hard thing to do, especially for a pacifist, but the thing is, we need soldiers to defend us. We can't have a powerful nation and no one to defend it. A lot of soldiers get into the military because they want to defend their nation. Maybe this is idealistic, but there is honor and valor. It is not something to be entered in lightly, and many serve their country honorably. Some swim upstream like our own LT Trouble, and others do what they can to keep the politicians honest. It takes valor to put your life on the line to defend your country. That's not what's happening in THIS war. But that's not the fault of the soldiers.

2:45 PM, December 07, 2005  
Blogger Philip Morton said...

There are thugs and there are warriors, both can be soldiers, both kill, one gives a crap or at least knows the difference when it's right or wrong. I think that still holds true in our armies today. I think it breaks the spirit of those soldiers who have virtues, when war is so corrupt from the top down. Interesting article on virtuous soldier who committed suicide - yet the suicide may have been a murder to remove him from tattling on the contractors who have no virtue:,0,6096413,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

2:17 AM, December 08, 2005  
Blogger Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

Can I make it clear I'm not a pacifist, I know we need soldiers and if war is the method than war is the method but I think the political feelings about the current war are clouding the issues of all wars.

3:53 AM, December 08, 2005  
Blogger United We Lay said...

Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically.

6:11 AM, December 08, 2005  
Blogger Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

It's cool.

8:58 AM, December 09, 2005  

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