Saturday, July 23, 2005

Hey! There's A Nit! Let's Pick It!

Ok, let's review:

  • We're in a war for no other reason than the president of half a country wanted us there.
  • That president and his cronies at best manipulated the facts, at worst outright lied to get us there.
  • That president's advisors bulldozed any possible dissent, showing no reticence whatsoever in punishing severly anyone who dared stand up and disagree.
  • That president and his advisors had no real plan on what they would do once they took over that country, and showed no real desire to figure it out. They just wanted to see the American flag fly in Baghdad.
  • Now that we're there, there's no real idea of what we're to do next. There's no real timetable for withdrawal.
  • The minimum actual monthly cost of the war is $1,000,000,000 (one billion dollars) higher than the maximum estimated monthly cost of the war given before the invasion.
  • The minimum actual monthly cost of the war is $1,000,000,000 (one billion dollars) higher than the maximum estimated monthly cost of the war given before the invasion. (I know I put that in twice. I wanted it emphasized)
  • The troops and security forces we're training aren't nearly ready to do the job.
  • The Iraqis who want to do that job are getting blown up.
  • Baghdad has become a training ground for the very terrorists we said we were trying to defeat.
  • Because of the above uncountable hundreds, maybe thousands, of civilians are dying.
Well hooooooooold on thar, Baba-Louie!

Here's a report that sez thatmany of those civilians being killed aren't being killed by Americans! For three internet pages, Rod Nordland goes on about how people who are trying to tally the cost in human life--human Iraqi life--are using poor statistics, worst-case (or best-case, depending on your point of view) scenarios, and guesstimates to come up with the numbers.

Well, personally, I don't give a flying fig if those people are dying because we're shooting them or someone else is killing them. The point is, they're dying because we're there. They're dying because Preznit Bush sent the cavalry charging in there, and left them hanging, without a real plan as to what to do next.

There's an old saying: "Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it." Well, Bush got his wish. Saddam's out of power. And, just like he said, Iraq is a training ground for terrorists. Only it happened the other way 'round.

So take us to task, Mr. Nordland, because some Americans are using inaccurate statistics to point out the number of Iraqis killed by Coalition Forces. I personally don't know of, or read, or use as a reason to decry this godawful war, any of the statistics that you've gone to great pains to dismiss.

Because in the end, it just doesn't matter.

My son, the Soldier/Cop, could tell you the exact name of the law that says if you're involved in a crime where a murder is committed, you are guilty of that murder, even if you didn't actually kill the person.

Those civilians are dying because we're there.



Blogger Jessica said...

accomplice liability, or "complicity"

9:34 AM, July 24, 2005  
Blogger Anonymous Law Student said...

Felony Murder Rule

7:35 PM, July 24, 2005  
Blogger Jessica said...

Trust the law student.

9:55 PM, July 24, 2005  
Blogger ticharu said...

Here's the doomer take on it.
It was a no win situation to begin with.
Leave Saddam in place - we get blaimed for supporting a dictator
Sanctions - we get blaimed for any misery in Iraq
Take him out - we can't win that obviously
The US basically can't do anything right. That's just the way it is.

5:22 AM, July 25, 2005  
Blogger Balloon Pirate said...

The sanctions WERE working in Iraq.

Would have worked better if Halliburton wasn't getting its cut on the side

Oil-for-food scandal, indeed. Notice how fast that scandal disappeared when Halliburton's name came up?


8:58 AM, July 25, 2005  
Blogger ticharu said...

I just remember a lot of sleasy people getting rich off the sanctions and the oil for food scam, and Saddam blaiming the US for children starving in his country. I'm tellin' ya, whether we're battin' right or left handed, we're doin' it wrong. It's OK though cuz I think in 20 years everyone will be blaiming China and we won't even be a player.

2:08 PM, July 25, 2005  
Blogger indygirl said...


7:59 AM, July 26, 2005  
Blogger Anonymous Law Student said...

Clearly the US cannot be expected to take out every single dictator or prick that runs a country in this world. That said, we weren't trying to do that. The sanctions were in place to control Saddam. Let's review their affect:

1. He had no WMD's
2. His army was shit
3. He was not a threat to his neighbors or us
4. He was behaving as well as could be expected. Sure he broke a rule here and there, but the point, is that it didn't matter. He was neutralized and Iraq was relatively stable.

Now that we are there, the following facts are undeniable:

1. The insurgency has not, and will not be stopped any time in the near future, if ever.

2. We have created a recruiting ground for terrorists and extremists by murdering or causing the death of thousands of Iraqis. They will not forget, and they will not let us forget.

3. This war has to date, cost over 300 Billion dollars. Did someone say we had a social security crisis? Maybe 300 billion dollars could have averted it...what do you think?

11:10 PM, July 26, 2005  
Blogger Balloon Pirate said...

I think you're preachin' to the choir, ALS. I've been saying that since '03.


9:13 AM, July 27, 2005  
Blogger Robyn said...

Mr. Balloon Pirate--You invited me to post a comment on your blog page.....but I am sure you may not have known that I am a conservative and a Bush supporter, and thus I can see that I am not very welcome here. I see the typical leftist anti-American negativity is hosted here and I have a much more positive view of the world and life in general. Nothing has ever been accomplished in the world through negativity. I wish you all well and I am sorry you all are so distressed.
Thank you for inviting me anyway.


10:24 AM, August 09, 2005  

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