Wednesday, August 03, 2005

Spin This

It was inside the sleeping bag that the 56-year-old detainee took his last breath through broken ribs, lying on the floor beneath a U.S. soldier in Interrogation Room 6 in the western Iraqi desert. Two days before, a secret CIA-sponsored group of Iraqi paramilitaries, working with Army interrogators, had beaten Mowhoush nearly senseless, using fists, a club and a rubber hose, according to classified documents.

OK, Bushies: how is this acceptible? How is this showing American ideals? Or don't those matter any more? Is it now OK to be as brutal and senseless as those who we claim are brutal and senseless?

This is wrong. This is immoral. I don't care how you spin it. And it will be spun. I can already hear the typing of redstate bloggers saying it's fine to torture our captives 'because they'd do it to us.'

That's a child's way of thinking. We were supposed to be better than this. Every time crap like this happens, it's another victory for terrorists. We become what they say we are.



Blogger Daniel Hoffmann-Gill said...

Damn right man! There is no justification, we keep feeding the terror machine we built, by de-humanising the 'enemy' we lower ourselves to nothing more than facists.

9:59 AM, August 03, 2005  
Blogger Jason said...

Disgusting for so many reasons, but I'm sure it will be shrugged off.

11:09 AM, August 03, 2005  
Blogger Mz. Pig said...

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm a true Libra that must play devil's advocate for a moment. I can not even profess to know what it's like to fight a war, I mean truly be on the front line. I don't know what it's like to lose someone that is closer to you than a member of your own family. But I can only imagine that the rage becomes unsquashable at times....directed at the "enemy" that is within striking distance.

7:57 PM, August 03, 2005  
Blogger Balloon Pirate said...

Cheryl: I have a nephew that grew up one block from my house in Iraq now. He's a marine. My oldest son is a Lt. in the USAF. In two weeks, he'll be deployed in Iraq as well. These are my children.

They are also soldiers. As such, they are trained to follow orders, and to conduct themselves in a certain way. Soldiers die. The soldiers fighting know that there is that possibility. That's the way it is. You can't fight a war without this happening.

To say this is some sort of 'retribution' in no way excuses the action; instead, it worsens it. These soldiers are trained to accept losses and move forward. I know this for a fact. Ask any soldier. "Retribution,' especially directed at someone who does not have the capacity to defend, changes them.
These people are not soldiers. They are monsters.

And the fault lies with them, as well as the entire chain of command that allowed the action to happen.

Indefensible. Completely and utterly indefensible.


6:13 AM, August 04, 2005  
Blogger Cranky Yankee said...

....bound and gagged and thrown into a foot-locker....

But, I knew I wasn't going to be beaten/suffocated to death.

I'm not condoning what these animals did, but I just want to say that I know first hand that in the heat of the moment it is very easy for your humanity to slip away. Deep in our genetic programming there is a savage capable of unspeakable horror. It is in those instances where societal norms should intervene. When those norms, that moral high-ground, are abandoned hope begins to fade. History has seen what happens when a society unleashes it's savage side..

What is eqaully distressing is the casual attitude that it is Ok because these guys are "terrorists."

9:47 AM, August 04, 2005  
Blogger Balloon Pirate said...

Absolutely, Crank.
You know it better than I. Better than most. That's where training comes in. That's where the chain of command sets the limits.

CoC in this case sez fuckit fuckem fuckall.
Fuckyou if you don't agree.

That starts at the top.


10:13 AM, August 04, 2005  
Blogger Mz. Pig said...

point, counterpoint...taken
I don't disagree with you, just trying to get in their heads.

6:24 PM, August 04, 2005  

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